Power Macintosh G4/800, 933, 1 GHz

(Quicksilver 2002)

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Overview

Details

• G4/800 introduced 2002.01.28 at $1,599
  G4/933 introduced 2002.01.28 at $2,299
  G4/1 GHz dual introduced 2002.01.28 at $2,999
• requires Mac OS 9.2.2 or later, shipped with OS X 10.1.2, 10.5 not officially supported on 800 MHz model
• CPU: 800/933/dual 1,000 MHz PowerPC 7455
• bus: 133 MHz
• performance:
• Geekbench 2 (Leopard): 824 (1 GHz dual), 448 (933 single)
• Geekbench 2 (Tiger): 841 (1 GHz dual), 525 (933 single)
• L2 cache: 256 KB on-chip L2 cache
• L3 cache: 2 MB per processor of Double Data Rate (DDR) SRAM on 933 MHz and dual 1 GHz models, effectively runs at 1/2 CPU speed
• RAM: 256 MB standard (512 MB in dual processor model), expandable to 1.5 GB using PC133 SDRAM (3.3V, unbuffered, 64-bit, 168-pin, 133 MHz) in 3 DIMM slots
• VRAM: 32 MB on ATI card, 64 MB on nVidia card
• Video: AGP 4x ATI Radeon 7000 on 800 MHz model, nVidia GeForce4 MX on 933 MHz and dual 1 GHz models; VGA and ADC ports (no DVI)
• hard drive: 40/60/80 GB 7200 rpm UltraATA/66. Maximum IDE drive size is 128 GB without third-party support. See caution note below.
• CD-RW (32x CD, 12x CD-R, 10x CD-RW) on base model
  Combo drive optional for $100 more
  SuperDrive CD-RW/DVD-R drive (2x DVD-R, 4x DVD, 8x CD-R, 4x CD-RW, 24x CD) on faster models
• internal Zip 250 drive (optional)
• 4 64-bit PCI slots
• internal 56k modem
• microphone: no input jack, requires use of USB device
• FireWire 400 ports: 2
• USB 1.1 ports: 2
• USB 2.0 ports: none
• ethernet: 10/100/gigabit
• antenna and connector for AirPort card
• size (HxWxD): 17.0" x 8.9" x 18.4"
• weight: 30.0 lb.
• Gestalt ID: n/a
• model no.: M8705 (800 MHz), M8666 (933 MHz), M8667 (1 GHz dual)
• PRAM battery: 3.6V half-AA
• upgrade path: none yet, although CPU upgrades are likely

Accelerators & Upgrades

• 8x SuperDrive DVD±RW upgrade, MCE Technologies, $99. 8x4x12x DVD, 24x24x40x CD. 2 MB buffer.
• for CPU upgrades, see our Guide to Power Mac G4 Upgrades

Online Resources

• Best used Power Mac G4 deals, updated biweekly.
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• Best Mac OS X 10.5 'Leopard' deals. Best online prices for Mac OS X 10.5.
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• The long term value of a high end Mac, Andrew J Fishkin, Best Tools for the Job, 2008.11.21. Low-end Macs are more affordable up front, but the flexibility and upgrade options of a top-end Mac can make it the better value in the long run.
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• Apple Specs: Power Macintosh G4 (Quicksilver 2002)

Cautions

• Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) boot times for Power Mac with the GeForce 6200 fall into the 4-5 minute range, and was initially suggested that you install Leopard with the Mac's original video card to avoid slowing down the process. "gotoh" has posted the fix in The Mac Elite Forum. The delay is due to Leopard not supporting temperature sensors in G4 Macs. Simply remove AppleHWSensor.kext from /System/Library/Extensions, and the delay goes away.
• Power Macs earlier than the 2002 Quicksilver models do not have built-in support for IDE hard drives with capacities over 128 GB. Without a third-party solution, larger drives can only be formatted to 128 GB in these models. There are three options (as noted on Accelerate Your Mac):
  • Intech's ATA Hi-Cap Support Driver
  • A PCI IDE card that supports big drives
  • A FireWire enclosure that supports big drives

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